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TRAI to redefine Broadband!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

TRAI has come out with a consultation paper today. Even though it doesnt promise much, I would like you to get on a common platform and this time to fight to the finish regarding the increase in the speeds. I am linking to this paper
www.trai.gov.in/trai/u...1jan08.pdf

Read it. They have asked for a feedback from the stakeholders and I request you all to forward this email (written below) to one Mr S.K. Gupta in TRAI. Let him know as to how much we are suffering from improper access. I request your co operation once more and TOGTHER WE CAN DO IT...

Dear Mr S.K. Gupta (guptask@trai.gov.in or guptask61 @ gmail.com)

I appreciate your efforts to release a consultation paper online. As expected, it has raised a considerable excitement in the media about the speeds of broadband. as you are aware, the existing players are capable of leasing out the international bandwidth and providing last mile access with speeds exceeding 256kbps. However, due to laxity on part of TRAI, they have been taking customers for a royal ride.

I am sure that you are aware of the gross mismanagement in the name of "broadband". So what even if 2 Mbps speeds are available in this country. They come with crampy download limits which limits it's utility for access for high speed applications. The whole gamut of the telecom services has been held to ransom by the established players.

You as a regulator, should safeguard customer's interests but have sorely failed. We are keenly awaiting concrete resolutions on your part and force the department of telecom and vested stake holders to implement your directions in letter and spirit. We also demand a white paper on the implementation of uniform speeds of access of above 2 Mbps which is affordable in terms of existing price tags.

We hope that you would heed to our requests and enforce the directions straightaway.

Yours truly,
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

I have done my part and lets hope that something comes out of it...Cheers and keep rocking guys!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Done but mail returned from main trai addy with following :

Code:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

    guptask @ trai.gov.in

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: guptask @ trai.gov.in

EDIT:
Tried again, but failed to send mail to guptask @ trai.gov.in, permanent failure.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Does 8mbps increases piracy or decreases? with the increase number of p2p and private trackers and does it increases piracy also...

Moreover with the increase number of piracy you need more harddisk or space to store all the pirated or downloaded data.... Please stop piracy.. May because of this reason BSNL is not upgrading to 8mbps...

To a certain extent. I agree with this. However, today it is possible that we can use the speed for the good purpose and there are plenty of things that you can do instead of just storing or downloading the files.We can download the movie and delete it. Because you can download the movie within 20mins...That is a faster one.

I think CD and DVD will going to extinct in future because of speed and you can store the data online and download faster...

It saves time...

Please let me know what is the impact of SPEED with unlimited download...
COD=class on demand if we have good connection speed.
Look at the positive pints... negative points and compare and is it worth it and can we dream of seed boxes 100mbps connection..\?





Does the 8mbps connection is just a myth in India or reality?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

I have sent a slightly modified version of the mail sent to the CNN-IBN guys!
Hope for the best! Very Happy

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As a subscriber of BSNL Dataone "Broadband",I can confidently say that true broadband is yet to arrive in India;atleast for the common middle class user such as myself!
Yes,the service is excellent,I  get what i'm promised;up to 2mbps speed,no disconnections et cetera.....but this combined with a Data limit of 2.5GB!!
Here,Please note that both downloads and uploads are counted in our monthly "limit"!
On a theoretical basis,this "limit" can be surpasseD easily by approximately 4 hours of upload/download!!
So,if one must continue using the service after the said usage for the rest of the month,one should pay Rs 0.8/mb!! in addition to the taxes and the monthly rental;which is frankly ridiculous!

This hypocrisy of showing us the promise of reasonable speeds upto 2mbps but severely limiting it with  a  tiny data limit is most  condemnable!
This has been rampant among all the ISPs per se and needs to be stopped immediately.
That the ISPs are obvious of this fact is true too,as they do have the capability to give us more bandwidth at more or less the same price as of now....but they dont!


We,the subscribers of such ISPs discuss our problems at truly helpful community forums like
http://vinuthomas.com
http://broadbandforum.in
http://broadbandblog.in

God knows how much more we would have suffered if not for the helpful people over at these forums!

Yet,I still hope for the day that India has fair ,free and Reasonable Broadband in tune with the rest of the world!!

Yours truly
A BSNL dataone subscriber since August 2005
Bangalore



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Sent it...but i got a message
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. guptask @ trai.gov.in

I think it went to his gmail account
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

^^ Yep Same here. The trai.gov.in email id failed for me too..

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Avenger wrote:
Does 8mbps increases piracy or decreases? with the increase number of p2p and private trackers and does it increases piracy also...

Moreover with the increase number of piracy you need more harddisk or space to store all the pirated or downloaded data.... Please stop piracy.. May because of this reason BSNL is not upgrading to 8mbps...

To a certain extent. I agree with this. However, today it is possible that we can use the speed for the good purpose and there are plenty of things that you can do instead of just storing or downloading the files.We can download the movie and delete it. Because you can download the movie within 20mins...That is a faster one.

Ok the whole thing about piracy and stuff, is probably being blown up into proportions. Tell me something, if piracy is really a very massive problem have the companies making softwares/movies etc shutdown? Think of it in this way, an actor(lets say any bollywood guy, well renowned) earns a minimum of 50lakh to a crore. The producers earn more from the collections and even after all this, the question we really have to ask is do they really need that much money to survive? Have all the software companies shutdown just because their product was pirated?(I agree a few, but they had other pressures too). Plus to think of what those actors actually did for the community, just holding the broom and posing for a picture of them cleanin up the streets doest really make them "caring". I'd give free advertising for ad's like polio, AIDS eradication...But i do understand that they hav to keep something for themselves...

The truth is that piracy increases the popularity of something, did you know that there was an incident where a movie became known after its copy was on the internet. The producer was really happy for that. Several music bands got their break just because they put a copy on the internet.
Piracy is not a crime as it is portrayed to be, its just a form of expression.

If i were to make a software/movie i'd put a donate button on the site, if you watched a copy/used the software and liked it contribute to appreciate the efforts. You may debate on this, but there are a few people in the world who wil certainly do this(I would) and pave the way for a new generation. Anyho the situation about cyber crime management in our country is so pathetic that thinking about piracy(by the ISP's) should not be a criteria at the moment. For the fact that, Inida does not have some great software company making cool softwares that can be worth being illegal, and the movie industry is backed by a massive "FANS" community who have this mentality to watch each and every movie of his/her favie actor on the first day of its release without actually caring for how its gonna be. So until such people exist the movie/software industry will certainly keep working.

Delaying the implementation of a technology that will improve the economy of a country by citing piracy as a cause is outrageous. Especially when only less than .9% know what they get on the internet these days.

@mods - There may be chances where i might seem like im trying to publicize piracy, i really dont mean that. Im just seeing the other side of the coin. If you feel certain parts/the whole post is inappropriate you are free to mess around with it. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Looking at the mailer daemon error message, looks like gupta is no longer the concerned person.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

sent a written letter just now. hopefully that does not return saying the place does not exist. x:fingers crossed

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

@phynx: I agree with you. Piracy existed way before the internet existed. I do remember that people used to copy music and movies in the dual cassette decks and vcrs way before CD's and internet came into the picture.

To blame piracy on the internet is just a way for these "loosers" to lock down on user.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

try skgupta @ trai.gov.in instead of guptask @ trai.gov.in

sent email there, no bounce for a while now...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

In is really really ridiculous & a lame excuse that broadband speed/limit can not be increased in the fear of increased piracy.
I still believe pirated media (whatever it may be..... games, movies) is a small percentage of the legitimate sold copies.

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Ow! 500 posts & it took 3 years to achieve.

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Thanks vishalrao, done.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

imho TRAI=The Ravana Against Internet

@vishalrao thanks for keeping my request Razz

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: TRAI to redefine Broadband! Reply with quote

Piracy is irrelevent. It has nothing to do with the question.

It is not the job of the ISPs to police the internet, and if it becomes so then they should be more interested in stopping the spam that is a pain to us all.

Interesting document: I never knew that UK 'defined' broadband as being over 128! I guess that dates back to the two 64K channel digital service that I forget the name of.

However: definition is 128; ADSL market starts at 512. Here, definition is 256, and market starts at 256.

The important thing about this document is that TRAI are recognising and even looking at the rest of the world and what is available. There must be some thinkers there! I think there may be some hope.
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