The complaint against TRAI for definition of Broadband and various other issues has now formally been sent over to CIC. It would take some time before it gets listed formally.

Since CIC is an open forum, I would be interested in having maximum participation from all of you stake holders. The time and date shall be notified once I have the confirmation from CIC.

I am quite hopeful and positive about getting a fair verdict. You can follow my blog where I have posted the details of the previous interactions, the questions posed and their replies.

Of course, they are a bunch of idiots but then we cannot have such idiots deciding such policies. I am going to finger them nicely.

It would be worthwhile to have live tweeting from the CIC premises or some kind of a "live blogging" about the same That would be a FIRST!

Jokes apart, I am keen to take this to a logical conclusion because in the age of Gigabits, we cant afford to stay put in a crap 256kbps speed and be called as Broadband.

Force these idiots to respond; plus make the whole decision making more transparent.

I don't mind getting the media involved. If any contacts, please get these journos to write about this. I have found these journos to be majorly ill informed ABOUT everything they write about. It is a general observation but some brilliant exceptions to the rule are definitely there.

Please help me guys!

i have written several times to cnnibn and ndtv about "unfair" usage policy and bsnl's bad customer service.. leave alone any action I did not receive even an acknowledgment..

but hats off to u for ur efforts and hopefully ur actions bear fruits.

NDTV , cnibn? lol

People who have not done anything don't have the right to laugh at somebody's efforts.

Abhishek, I was trying to do the same, and I have a thread here at VT. I'm with you. PM me if I can do anything. I knew someone in NDTV long ago. Let me see if she'd be ready to help in anyway. But, can you be more clear as to what you want the media to do?

hellmet wrote:

People who have not done anything don't have the right to laugh at somebody's efforts.

I am certain that krishnan was laughing at the choice of channels rather than phoenix's efforts.

@ Abhishek and phoenix, keep on doing the good job and let's hope that the broadband situation improves.

But, i must say one thing, till Raja is the Minister, we have no hope. So, let's first pray that he gets sacked.

roadster_gt3 wrote:

I am certain that krishnan was laughing at the choice of channels rather than phoenix's efforts.

I did not understand as to what was wrong with my choice of channel.. ?

phoenix wrote:

I did not understand as to what was wrong with my choice of channel.. ?

Well nothing wrong in particular. Just that all the news channels in India, Hindi or English, are really bad in a lot of ways. so i guess, we aren't left with many choices either.

phoenix wrote:

i have written several times to cnnibn and ndtv about "unfair" usage policy and bsnl's bad customer service.. leave alone any action I did not receive even an acknowledgment..

And i guess, this also adds to the bad choice bit. Though, you probably would have had a similar experience with any other channel.

Writing to news channels will not make any difference. They are hardly bothered. They want news that are sensational and increase their TRP.

Nothing is going to change unless the joker is replaced by someone who understands telecommunications. But thats not going to happen.

How about a peaceful (no slogan shouting, no rokos) dharna at major BSNL offices? That should also get the media working if we are in sufficient numbers. Sufficient should be anything near 10.

@ hellmet, there are a lot of serious problems in india as it is, and doing a dharna for broadband... we'll be made fun of. No one will take us seriously, and the police might actually shove us away.

I personally think the best way is through media only, but the problem is that there is almost no good media in india currently.

Thanks for the kind words.

So far, I haven't heard from CIC; I am trying to know the status of my application. One major reason is that they get a huge volume of the email.

Regarding media: I hate them because they are not responsive but then one cannot do anything about them either. In order to generate maximum impact, we need them. Because net activism hasn't matured the way it is expected to. Most of the people don't end up on blogs or forums to check out the "buzz".

More importantly, writing to the news channels makes no difference because as rightly pointed out it is of no use to their TRP's. In any case, 99% of the people are actually UNAWARE of the potential of broadband or it's spin off effects.

Any fight is for you alone; there ought to be NO confusion on that count.

@ Abhishek, I can help you if I could see the representation made by you to CIC( you can attach it here) However, if it is simply a BSNL bashing as some moderators(?) here, I may stay away as usual..
Here is some tips to make effective representation..
1) points raised may be specific, and within the authority's power
2)You already exhausted the remedies available within the organisation that you chosen to complaining.
3)CIC is merely a Information provider and not a policy maker

So in the above analogy you can first ask the TRAI by what factors they are defining BB ?
you could not force them to revise their defination policy..
CIC has at present has two million reprentation to consider within the time allotted to them..there are many who abusing this powerful weapon for sundry matters, which make CIC a powerless paper tiger'''
Most of the time i get the required information just simply browsing their websites, some time sent my feed back to them..
In one instance, when the BSNL raise the EVDO tariffs, I guide the users of another forum to draft a complaint letter to TRAI as well as CMD BSNL..
I don't know weather it was on the action of TRAI or by BSNL on its own accord, the revised tariffs suspended ( we got email acknoeledgements from CMD BSNL)

So what I guess is if the information asked by you is already available with TRAI websites, there is no need that CIC to respond

Well said Vaithy.

But the whole point is that TRAI seemed to be vindictive for mentioning about "hypothetical questions". The intent is to force them to look at the options rather than persist with the inanity.

It would be difficult to have a point by point rebuttal on a public forum as this but then I'd like to highlight just one point. The definition of BB is taken from the ITU website; I have asked them to show me the file notings as to why ONLY the "minimum speed" has been chosen by definition?

They have NOT responded to that question.

As for CIC being a "paperless tiger"; I have a different view on that. It isn't about policy making but the fact that it gives us a platform where the policy makers are being challanged on their approaches. I am not happy with the regulator because it is staffed by utter morons in my opinion. As a stake holder and being supported by public funds going out of my pocket in form of taxes.

It seem one of the VTmembers here has posted his view, before abishek, but it has been snipped . I want to reply to that post, after reaching my home , but some how it is missing, so I am deprived of my right to reply, so I request the moderator to allow the post continue// The member has asked some valid point which need some answer from me..Thanks.

@ abishek,

while you are within your right to ask particular office notings from the CIC, the CIC has no power to ask the trai to explain the reason for the policy matter..By definition TRAI itself has the adjudication power of court.. Only Delhi High Court/Supreme court has the power to make them to spill the reason, which they will not do in normal circumstances..If it can be allowed by the court then it may go too far..litigants may use the CIC to seek the reason for the particular judgement of lower court
I am not discouraging you.. Indeed i myself, planning to approach CIC about 3G policy of TRAI but after desecting the proposed action, with the above mentioned factors I have kept quite.. if you succeed to compel the CICto provide the information that you sought from TRAI, then i'll be the first man to congratulate you!
Some question..
Every public sector organisation GoVT Department appoint a nodal officer as PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER under RTI act.. first you have to findout who is the officer and make the queustionnaire to him after paying the necessary fee under RTI act/ Sent a Register Post the acknowledgement card itself is sufficient proof that you have contacted the officer under the reuired ACT..wait one month(minimum month prescribed in the act, issue one more reminder.. then approach CIC stating the above fact that you have exhausted the all remedies available to you..now your representation has some priority in CIC office..
Good luck friend!

This is news to me for sure.

As I understand, CIC would make them open up to the "file notings", if and when required since this has not been divulged to me.

I am sure that the moderators are doing a great job; it is a hassle to see spam floating around because a lot of idiots think that their so called opinion matters. I have faced heat enough but then most of the people on these forums are gone and it was a great then....

Let me find out the status; I have asked someone. But in these matters it takes time. Plus, I might like to talk to you personally; lets see how it works out.